Now I do not plan on making this a lengthy discussion but I will be talking about many common things that seem to need a bit of reinforcing.

1. Team Manners- be kind to your teammates, if they have a mistake try pointing out ways something different could have occurred so that they have an idea about what to do in case of similar actions in-game.
- Never use them as an excuse for your losing, look at the game as a whole such as mid getting killed due to top or bottom not calling MIAs resulting in a double or triple person gank, same goes for all the other lanes.
- Try staying positive(both in K/D/A and in your actions) your teammates perform better knowing that someone appreciates their actions or gives some word about it.

2.Raging- If you're having a bad day its best just to relax for a while instead of gaming, its known people perform worse when agitated or angered so why bring even more people down with you?
- Its never an excuse to leave the game due to failing a surrender, this action is inexcusable and a poor show of sportsmanship. If I had my way I would put in a semi ban for people who did it, both clan wise and in-game.


These are just a few things I wanted to bring up that I haven't seen being talked about that should be. This clan isn't just made for people for skill based gaming, its for fun and enjoying something with others when you can't even enjoy the game anymore why bother?

I'll agree with point one, and most of two. However, when your in-game officer, as well as other officers are giving the surrender order, then the team surrenders, as that is the officers order and judgement, by disobeying that, you're not listening to your suppieror officers and that is also something we do not tolerate.

"However"?? Surrendering is a voting system for a reason. Even an officer can't change that, disobeying an officer on the subject of surrendering isn't anything that should be angry upon, or "untolerateable". I believe you are giving yourself too much power. As you said you are playing as a team, therefore you surrender as a team, if you really want to surrender you got to convice everyone on the team to agree with you.

"Responsible for leading the team over voice comms and for what the team does or fails to do. This includes tactical employment and personnel management. He does this by planning, making timely decisions, issuing orders, assigning tasks, and supervising team activities. He must know his members and how to employ the teams weapons. Supervises and spot-checks all assigned tasks, and corrects unsatisfactory actions."

If a game is clearly lost, the order to surrender is given, and should be follower through, when there is a chance to win, providing information or strategy to win to an officer to change the officers mind is fine, and if it can be seen that there is a real shot to win, continuing to fight is fine. If a game is clearly forlorn to disobey without any given reason is not behaviour that is acceptable, if more then half the team has realised it is a losing fight, then the other members should follow through, if it was every man decides for himself this would be no more then anarchy, if an impass is reached between team mates, does majority rule not make the most sense?

I don't get what the problem is if 3 people vote to surrender the other 2 should vote yes or if a officer votes to surrender all members should vote yes.

If you don't like playing with someone because they surrender don't play with that person its your choice to team up with him/her.

in reply to the original post; I agree and am guilty of making excuses, raging, blaming, etc...
in reply to this secondary discussion on surrendering; I'm not denying that the officer should be in charge of when we surrender or continue, but I would like to discuss some more tactical things involving that.
I feel that too many times our players get stuck in a mindset of the specific thing they wanted to play. (ie split push shen, ap amumu jungle, etc...) We are sometimes unwilling to change our play style, or builds to adapt to the current situation. This includes surrendering. sometimes surrendering isn't neccissary when we can still have a chance by changing out strategies both as a group and as an individual champion. Sometimes I vote not to surrender even if an officer does because I would like to have a discussion on things going on in the match, or I feel with proper strat we could pull out an upset.

now some of this is a result of my gaming mindset compared to an others on any given night. Sometimes people just want to play an ap corki or the sort for fun. But I, especially when grouped with clan members always go into a game with the thought of, what do I and my team need to do to come out in victory, or what do I or we need to do differently to not have a negative outcome again. I get frustrated at us surrendering because someone tried to jungle as annie when we desperately needed a tank with slowing cc. There needs to be more communication on what our goals are for each individual match we play. if its goofing off, that is acceptable as long as everyone is ready for that. the same goes for serious try-hard playing.

in summary, our biggest issue right now, is that we have no pregame communication. part of that may be that sometimes we are waiting 1hour to get someone to join a match as our 5th and by the time we get someone, we are eager to start. but there needs to be something down about the way we communicate both in and out of game.

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all this being said, I still really enjoy playing with most everyone in the clan and I appreciate the leadership for their time, effort, and determination. I do not think they have fallen short. without them I would be miserable playing this game or not playing it at all. thank you guys.

I agree with fel about the pregame communication, if we have 5 already, we can work out what we want to play before game, to figure out if we want to win or just playing for fun. Sometimes I do like to play some rarly played styles just for fun, and usually they work out for me. but we should talk before the game.

if the game is clearly a lost, then they should know when to surrender, if they still have an strong opinion about not to, you will need to convince them using facts of the game. If you want them to agree with you, that is what you should do. People like to listen to reasons more than orders

I agree with Fel Dong on the communication issue and part of the surrendering issue. If an officer gives the order to surrender one must suggest to the officer a reason to not surrender. This applies if an officer and two other people vote yes, but if an officer is the only one to surrender, then I believe that no explanation is needed to keep playing.