What do you think of the current triad of AD carries comprised of Graves, Corki, and Ezreal as top tier Bot Laners?
Why makes them so powerful in the current meta?
Will they last long?
Be replaced? By who? and why?

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As for my input; I think that Miss Fortune is going to become top tier soon, if not now. Her increased mobility will help, and I'm totally expecting teams with Zix on them to run blitz and other isolaters. Mf will be able to help more effeciently assist on jungle fights on the bottom half of the map, as well as being well equip to gank mid if need be.

The reason they are as strong as they are is one simple thing: They aren't just auto attackers. They have actual burst in their kits. So at the end of the day they can run up to you, pop their burst and THEN finish you off with crazy strong autos. Unlike say...Caitlyn or Ashe, who are both utility heavy ADs. For instance, at no point in a game is there any reason not to use Ezreal's Q. That would be silly, right? But you actually experience a hard dps drop if you use Cait's Q late game for anything other than to pick off targets over walls or out of your AA range. Varus will join this "Holy Triad", once a pro gets really good with him. His burst is phenomenal, and his kit also brings some decent utility.

As for MF...shes not bad. She isn't. Her ult is terrible though. Its a little better now they're adjusting the channel time, but it suffers the same issue as Cait's Q: Its damage does not justify missing out on 2 seconds of auto attacks. What do Ezreal, Graves, and Corki's ults have in common? They're bursty, they are long ranged, and they take no time at all to cast (granted Ezreals has a what? .5 sec cast time?). BOOMBOOMBOOM back to auto attacking, no time wasted, no dps dropped.

With the exception of Varus maybe, I dont see the holy triad going anywhere. If the meta shifts...maybe. But I mean...do youguys see it changing any time soon? I sure dont.

I think it also has a lot to do with the other lanes/jungle. Mid lane is generally pretty passive in a way, as they will mostly try to out-poke the enemy mid laner and then gank another lane when they return to base, rather than outright fight in mid as its safer to gank than to duel a lot of bursty champs. Then we have super aggressive junglers ganking at any hint of an opportunity. Both of those things mean the ADC really needs a decent escape/engage. It's also the reason why boots/3 is almost mandatory.

Combined with the current meta of dropping a tower pretty much when you have the chance and ending the game sooner rather than later, you want strong early/mid game champs. The trinity fulfills that better than any other adc's. As soon as we see more passive lanes, Kog'maw and Vayne will dominate.

I really think we'll start to see Draven used a lot more in tournaments. He's got the strongest laning phase damage-wise, but suffers in team fights. That fits in so well with what we're seeing. Actually, one of the solomid tournament games that was on over the weekend had a Draven so dominate they actually banned him from the next match.

As for my thoughts on the trinity itself, I absolutely love Ezreal. One of my favourite champs in the game as long as you have Pulsefire. Otherwise he looks like a girl. But his dance is OP anyway. Graves is almost as fun as Ezreal, but out of lane he's pretty boring. Corki is Corki. He don't care what no man thinks of him.

I don't think we're gonna ever see them fall out of favour, but the prevalence of those champs is certainly going to dwindle over time as bot becomes both more passive with supports used and jungler ganks, or the meta shifts to supporting a longer game.

However, I can't recall how many times I've been out bullied by a Graves or Ezreal. It's a lot. But Caitlyn? MF? Just doesn't happen. They might have the range advantage, but its so slight I doubt anyone could actually use to decent effect.

Personally, I'd rather see a shift in the starting item meta than having more champs in bot lane. It's the same thing game in, game out.

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The reason they are as strong as they are is one simple thing: They aren't just auto attackers. They have actual burst in their kits. So at the end of the day they can run up to you, pop their burst and THEN finish you off with crazy strong autos. Unlike say...Caitlyn or Ashe, who are both utility heavy ADs. For instance, at no point in a game is there any reason not to use Ezreal's Q. That would be silly, right? But you actually experience a hard dps drop if you use Cait's Q late game for anything other than to pick off targets over walls or out of your AA range. Varus will join this "Holy Triad", once a pro gets really good with him. His burst is phenomenal, and his kit also brings some decent utility.

As for MF...shes not bad. She isn't. Her ult is terrible though. Its a little better now they're adjusting the channel time, but it suffers the same issue as Cait's Q: Its damage does not justify missing out on 2 seconds of auto attacks. What do Ezreal, Graves, and Corki's ults have in common? They're bursty, they are long ranged, and they take no time at all to cast (granted Ezreals has a what? .5 sec cast time?). BOOMBOOMBOOM back to auto attacking, no time wasted, no dps dropped.

With the exception of Varus maybe, I dont see the holy triad going anywhere. If the meta shifts...maybe. But I mean...do youguys see it changing any time soon? I sure dont.
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if you wanna see varus rock AD Carry, watch Aphromoo. he has the most insane mobility control of any LoL player I've ever seen.

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The reason they are as strong as they are is one simple thing: They aren't just auto attackers. They have actual burst in their kits. So at the end of the day they can run up to you, pop their burst and THEN finish you off with crazy strong autos. Unlike say...Caitlyn or Ashe, who are both utility heavy ADs. For instance, at no point in a game is there any reason not to use Ezreal's Q. That would be silly, right? But you actually experience a hard dps drop if you use Cait's Q late game for anything other than to pick off targets over walls or out of your AA range. Varus will join this "Holy Triad", once a pro gets really good with him. His burst is phenomenal, and his kit also brings some decent utility.

As for MF...shes not bad. She isn't. Her ult is terrible though. Its a little better now they're adjusting the channel time, but it suffers the same issue as Cait's Q: Its damage does not justify missing out on 2 seconds of auto attacks. What do Ezreal, Graves, and Corki's ults have in common? They're bursty, they are long ranged, and they take no time at all to cast (granted Ezreals has a what? .5 sec cast time?). BOOMBOOMBOOM back to auto attacking, no time wasted, no dps dropped.

With the exception of Varus maybe, I dont see the holy triad going anywhere. If the meta shifts...maybe. But I mean...do youguys see it changing any time soon? I sure dont.
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if you wanna see varus rock AD Carry, watch Aphromoo. he has the most insane mobility control of any LoL player I've ever seen.


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Aphromoo is an awesome ADC, but as things sit right now...Varus still sits in the same tier as Caitlyn, Kog, and...well, idk about Tristana. Shes somewhere between top tier and mid tier. I think its his lack of a good escape that hurts Varus.

Draven has great damage output, its true. But in order to use him to full effectiveness, you have to have insane mechanical skill. I've said it 1000 times: You can accomplish the same thing you can with a top tier ADC with Draven, but you have to work 10 times harder. Its just...not worth it when Ezreal, Graves, or Corki are available to pick.

Also, just an FYI: Caitlyn is the absolute BEST early game ADC. If one has never pushed you off of your lane, you've never seen one played correctly

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Also, just an FYI: Caitlyn is the absolute BEST early game ADC. If one has never pushed you off of your lane, you've never seen one played correctly
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Eh, she might be a pain you for the first 3-4 levels, but as soon as you land a aa-q-aa combo she'll learn her place. It's just about playing safe and sticking behind minions.

BigBean basically summed up the whole thing; in addition to great burst, the trifecto all also have escape/initiate moves that give them much better mobility and positioning potential. Mf, Varus, Kog'maw, have some good damage potential at various points in the game, but all possess a slow rather than a dash/flash/jump for instant escape or initiate. Not that they can't or won't be effective, but when you see a good one, they are probably being played by a more skilled summoner or have some amazing support.

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Also, just an FYI: Caitlyn is the absolute BEST early game ADC. If one has never pushed you off of your lane, you've never seen one played correctly
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Eh, she might be a pain you for the first 3-4 levels, but as soon as you land a aa-q-aa combo she'll learn her place. It's just about playing safe and sticking behind minions.

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Dont count on it too much, next patch they're increasing damage dealt to targets behind the first one on her q A lot of this has to do with supports too though. Unlimited Peacemakers? Soraka pls.

Just out of curiosity, where would Tristana stand in all of this? From my research, I know she has an OK early game, and good late game (Like most Carries) but she has a shoddy mid game. I've seen good Trist players roll over enemies with her post 6 burst combo but I wasn't sure how she lined up when stacked against the rest of the AD carries. I mean, her passive alone gives her fantastic range at level 18, but is that really enough?

The thing with Trist is that her escape is a bit buggy. She's a decent carry, they all are, but the top three are just a bit better currently. Or, at least that seems to be the consensus from a lot of the top rated players.


Did anyone catch any of the IPL games? They had a lot of non-trinity carries. A really awesome game with Draven in particular